18.05.2008

VanceS contributed 119 messages, 11 emotes during 128 minutes. 2008.05.18 05:15:02 Login Room: VirtualVance VanceS joined the room. VanceS left the room. Room: TI_Reception VanceS joined the room. PhilB: OK, I'm done, unless y'all are interested in participating, or have questions. VanceS: Hi, my computer is acting strangely PhilB: Bonjour, Vance, Welcome to Tapped In. JenniferGV: I will look into it JenniferGV: Hello Vance VanceS: Bonjour ca va? PhilB: Cool, Jennifer. EBobB: Oh, now I have to stop telling stories about Vance.... JenniferGV: lol EBobB: Hi Vance. PhilB: So, Vance, are you still in sunny Saudi Arabia? Or am I remembering wrong? EBobB: All computers act strangely EBobB: and I think that today is the 50 anniversary of the DARPA VanceS: I'm in sunny UAE PhilB slaps his forhead! PhilB: Oh, right next door. VanceS: so what were you done with just as I showed up? PhilB: I was just projecting links to my "Saving Our Planet" project and the Viva virtual village website. VanceS: is that still going strong? PhilB: Guess I'm kind of a one-trick poney, I've been using Viva for nearly 10 years. VanceS: it was an interesting project 10 years ago VanceS: ever thought about moving it into Second Life? PaulGE left the room. EBobB: If it still works for you an your students after 10 years....why change. PaulGE joined the room. PhilB: Up and down. I'm pretty much the only teacher locally to use it, so in years when I get very active at promoting collaboration projects, there are lots of participants, and in years when I'm less energetic, there's a slump. VanceS: yes, and I don't mean to imply that it would be better in SL VanceS simply sees connections with what Phil was trying to do and what is now possible in SL PaulGE left the room. EBobB: Im not dissing SL either....but sometimes I think we get a bit zealous in our need to make things different. PhilB: I'm unsure whether sites like Second Life would be accessible through schools' security settings. EBobB: Sometimes, things just keep working just fine..... PaulGE joined the room. VanceS: that's one reason not to, like TI, we could move our sunday meetings to SL or we could just stay here VanceS . o O ( hey this works! ) PhilB: For example, I can't connect to Tapped In from my school, and the admin guys don't really want to poke any holes in their firewall. EBobB: And I also think that in the next few years we will see the advent of more school friendly SL like entities. VanceS: holey firewalls, batman! MoiraH joined the room. PhilB: Paul, I bet you haven't enabled popup windows for this site in your browser. MoiraH: Hello everybody PhilB: Bonjour Moira, welcome to Tapped In VanceS: hey Moi JenniferGV: Hello Moira EBobB: Hello Moira. MoiraH: What are you up to today? VanceS: c'est Moi MoiraH: ;-) VanceS . o O ( c'etais un blague ha ha ) MoiraH i got that one PhilB slaps Vance with a large halibut. VanceS chuckles in french MoiraH: Can you write that phonetically? :-) EBobB: I havent seen Vance hit with a Halibut in a while. PhilB: So, what sorts of collaborative projects have y'all been into lately, now that I've shown mine? VanceS: excuse me while I de-scale my sweater EBobB: I am re-constructing a website. NergizK joined the room. EBobB: No where near ready for exposure yet. MoiraH: and how are you going about it Bob? PhilB: Bonjour, Nergiz. Welcome to Tapped In. EBobB: Hello, NergiZ\ MoiraH: from scratch? MoiraH: Hi Nergiz JenniferGV: Hello Nergiz VanceS: Hi Nergiz NergizK: Hi everybody !! EBobB: Oh, Moira...you know me, I am using several things together, but basically anchoring it all to a Joomla application HasanH joined the room. EBobB: Portal and then lots of links. MoiraH -) I thought it would be Drupal or Joomla PhilB: Our most recent English teaching site in my local region is based on SPIP, it seems fairly robust and versatile. And no more need to juggle webpage editors. NergizK: Missed you all last week :-) EBobB: I looked at Drupal, but I think I know Joomla better now. HasanH: Hi all ;;) VanceS: why is that? VanceS: Hi hassan PhilB: I've heard colleagues raving about Joomla, or was it Joombla? NergizK: Hi Hassan EBobB: I will have to look at that SPIP. MoiraH: I see lots of webmasters are now using Drupal to offer their services NergizK: Hi Paul. MichaelAC joined the room. MoiraH: Hello Hasan MichaelAC: greetings everyone JenniferGV: Hi MoiraH: Hi Michael VanceS: Yo Michael NergizK: I've looked at Drupal but that's beyond me. EBobB: Hi Michael. PhilB: Bonjour, Hassan, Michael. Welcome to Tapped In. MichaelAC: thank u Philb EBobB: Jennifer is new to us this morning, she is about to Graduate. HasanH: bonjour Phil VanceS: Drupal and Joomla appear beyond, but Moodle is easy HasanH: comment alleze vous? PhilB: What about Moodle? I hear it's easier to configure and use that Joomla. NergizK: Hi Jennifer PaulGE left the room (signed off). ThomasLev joined the room. NergizK: Welcome VanceS: Hi Jennifer, congratulations EBobB: Thats another reason I liked te Joomla, I have my moodle subbed into the Joomla. JenniferGV: Yes, I have no clue what all of you are talking about but its interesting MoiraH: and many use Drupal as the front page of moodle to pep it up a bit JenniferGV: thank you PhilB: Bonjour, Thomas. Welcome to Tapped In. EBobB: If they ever get to single sign in, I will be in good shape NergizK: I will soon have the opportunity to experiment with Moodle ThomasLev: hello! VanceS: do you do that Moira? NergizK: Hi Thomas MoiraH: No Vance, not yet - still beyond me and my time :-( MoiraH: that is free time to play EBobB: That is sort of what I am doing Moira, though I have also been playing with connecting the Moodle from a Ning network page. PhilB: Jennifer, Moodle Spip and Joomla are website managing tools that are supposed to make it easier for multiple authors to collaborate on a site, distribute courses, manage forums, etc. EBobB: and it works nicely. NergizK: Jennifer, I felt the same at the beginning JenniferGV: Thank you, Phil MoiraH: sounds great Bob EBobB: Hi Thomas. MoiraH: Hi Tom PhilB: Our spip site works well, but seems rather lifeless. VanceS: best thing is to just plunge in I guess MichaelAC: spip? JenniferGV: Thanks, Nergiz EBobB: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPIP MichaelAC: ta bob PhilB: Spip is an article-based content-distribution system, here is ours, for English teaching in France. Sadly it's mostly *in* French: http://wwwphp.ac-orleans-tours.fr/anglais/ MoiraH: Talking of plunging in, have you seen the released http://www.worldwidetelescope.org/ JenniferGV: merci :) MichaelAC: got it Phil MoiraH: I like your site Phil :-) VanceS: that would be great if you were trying to teach french PhilB: I'm just one of the co-managers of that site, but try to include a fair bit of constructivist content. PhilB: IMHO, making a website for teachers of English *written in* French is rather limiting, but as it's part of the French National Education administration, I just have to go with the flow. ThomasLev left the room. ThomasLev joined the room. ThomasLev: sorry! MichaelAC: watching worldwide telescope.... VanceS: yes, I was thinking your http://wwwphp.ac-orleans-tours.fr/anglais/ would each me some French and it does until I get a lesson open VanceS: was that a tweet Michael? MichaelAC: gues it was V! MoiraH: it's the Microsoft site http://www.worldwidetelescope.org/ EBobB: I am off to make a little coffee....be right back. PhilB: Yes, Vance, the lessons are for teaching English to French students. WHy we can't just put the explanatory material in English is beyond me. VanceS: The problem with so many foreign language materials for english speakers is all the rubrics in English VanceS: a mon avis HasanH left the room (signed off). PhilB: Why would having a grading rubric in English be a problem? Or isn't that what you mean? VanceS: tryng to work out what http://www.worldwidetelescope.org/ is about MichaelAC: Mmm. - http://www.worldwidetelescope.org/ recommends 2GB of RAM! VanceS: it's requiring some buffering MichaelAC: I hve only 1GB MoiraH: well, I looked at it today following the link from George Siemen's newsletter and it looks interesteing but I couldn't watch the tours :-( PhilB: Worldwide telescope looks cool, for teachers who have 30-40 extra hours a day to prepare course content. VanceS: remember those pictures that zoomed in and out on a scale of ten? MichaelAC: exactly Phil, and a supercomputer PhilB: Well, 2 gigs of ram isn't all *that* much. VanceS: is this Microsoft's answer to Google Earth and Universe? MoiraH: as far as I understand, educators can add their input - for a 'static' course, this could be worth the inital time input, if the course were to be repeated PhilB: Probably. MoiraH: It seems to be Vance - or that's what they intend MichaelAC: seems we're all of exploring the universe..... NergizK: If you are interested in Astronomy, a scientist gives regular very dynamic talks in SL in a beautiful location. MoiraH: nice pictures :-) VanceS: so many choices, where is that Nergiz? ThomasLev: does SL have the same sky setup as RL does? NergizK: I have the LM...wait PhilB: Of course, for those of us who are English teachers, virtually *any* topic that captures students' interest and makes them want to talk about stuff is grist for the mill. NergizK: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Spaceport%20Bravo/117/66/278 VanceS: I'm being asked to evaluate Wimba here at PI, you use it don't you Michael? ThomasLev: I suppose SL could rearrange a little, so that you can always find what you're looking for MichaelAC: I use it occasionally Vance. I still think they make some good tools NergizK: I don't know Thomas. But there was a beautiful sky, moving with stars MoiraH: but they're still really expensive, correct? MichaelAC: the voice board has been superseded, but the podcaster and presentation tool is useful. Expensive? Yes PhilB: Wimba is the service that proposed voice forums a couple years back, innit? MichaelAC: correct Phil VanceS: wimba? yeah, here they are only interested in using a tool if iit's real expensive MichaelAC: but now wth Voice Threads and others available for free.... NergizK: An astronomer gives regular monthly talks there, it's very scientific but I could still follow. There is also a Q&A bit at the end. MichaelAC: then Wimba may be fir the bill Vance DanielS joined the room. VanceS: yeah, they are pulling the plug on our moodle server in an effort to force faculty to use blackboard VanceS: which they just purchased MichaelAC: bad..... MoiraH: Talking of freebies, did you see that Oovoo is only free for three video conversations now and Toufee is no longer free NergizK: Wimba even called me back to sell there services. I was shocked when I heard what it costs :-) MichaelAC: they should allow both pf course MichaelAC: Bb and Moodle MichaelAC: they have different purposes/functions VanceS: try talking sense to the know it all doctors here PhilB: Vance, don't your admins understand that when teachers invest time to put content into an environment, that they need that environment to be persistant and stable? VanceS: ha ha MichaelAC: YES YES YES MichaelAC: you use a lot of users when you change platforms MichaelAC: er lose a lot of users RitaZ joined the room. VanceS: lose? MichaelAC: Howdy Rita! RitaZ hugs everybody hi MoiraH: lol MoiraH: Hi Rita! VanceS: yeah, doesn't seem to be possible to reach the higher ups here MoiraH: Docebo is becoming really popular now RitaZ: Hi, Michael and Moira! VanceS: someone at the top wants blackboard, and he bought it PhilB: That's like a project I was involved in a few years back, the LOG, that had invested huge blocks of teacher time creating online content for its classes, based on the Lotus LEarning Space software... then they found out that LLS would no longer be supported and then began the painful travail of trying to export their content into another system. Agh! VanceS: I've set up http://vancestevens.com/moodle MichaelAC: what's Docebo like Moira? VanceS: so I'll be ok till the figure out how subversive I am NergizK: http://www.docebo.org/doceboCms/ MoiraH: I haven't tried it recently with students. I did quite a few years ago. They've made a lot of progress and many institutions, universities use it here in mainland Europe DanielS: Hi folks .... (Sleepess in Hawaii) MoiraH: it's opensource too ThomasLev: Hi Daniel! MoiraH: Hello Daniel RitaZ: ignoring what you've said so far, is Docebo free? ThomasLev: Hi Rita! RitaZ: hi, Tom!! MoiraH: opensource VanceS: Hey Hawaii VanceS used to live in Hawaii MoiraH: you put it on to your server DanielS: I wasn't aware of Docebo. RitaZ: will take a look, thanks, Moi VanceS: Hi Rita RitaZ: hi, Vance MoiraH: I'll be using it again next semester so I'll be updating my own neurons on it :-) NergizK: Hi Rita, I don't see you in my list :( MichaelAC: sounds taxing Moira! RitaZ: hi, Nergiz! MoiraH: lol NinaTL joined the room. NergizK: Moira, that means you need a hosting service for Docebo? MoiraH: Hi Nina!!! ThomasLev: Hi Nina! NergizK: like with Moodle? RitaZ hugs Nina warmly NinaTL hugs all around NergizK: Hi Nina! MoiraH: yes Nergiz MichaelAC: hello Nina! NergizK: Thanks! VanceS: Hi Nina NinaTL: Hi Moira, Rita, Mike, Vance, EBob, Tom, Nergiz and those I don't know DanielS: Question about all of these: We are trying to take a community approach to graduate education. Courses should not be "silos" -- students should be able to find out about people in other courses and access resources created by others. When we last evaluated Moodle it had too many walls. We have been running our own environment for the purpose (as part of my research). Do any of the newer systems better support the synergy gained by having many people in the same space? Has Moodel changed? MoiraH: you can probably find a payment deal somewhere now but I'm not sure about that RitaZ: so whats different and similar between Docebo and Moodle? MichaelAC: Daniel - that is a great q - I don;t kn ow the answer DanielS: (Ours are http://discourse.ics.hawaii.edu/ for postsecondary and http://www.hnlc.org for teachers) VanceS: Drupal has a certain synergy the way they use it at worldbridges.net MoiraH: There is something and I'm not sure what it's called - DrupalEd or EdDrupal VanceS: DrupalEd MoiraH: where that is exactly what they're trying to create VanceS: not to mention Elgg MoiraH: right Vance NergizK: What can I do with Elgg? I visited the site but didn't really understand fully MichaelAC: Folks - I promised myself an early night so I'm off. Have a good week everyone. VanceS: I don't understand fully either but I participate passively and podcastally in lots of conversations on worldbridges where they talk about it MichaelAC: Night! RitaZ: you too, Mike! VanceS: cya Michael ThomasLev: Take care, Michael! MoiraH: Nightie Night VanceS: thanks for stopping in MichaelAC left the room (signed off). NergizK: Relieved. Thought I'm the only one who doesn't understand :) VanceS: Elgg seems that it has a structure that lends itelf to manipulation by a group PhilB: It's cool to hear all these discussions of courseware platforms. VanceS: or lack of structure, if that's it NergizK: Elgg looks like one of those tools that can be everything. That makes it difficult VanceS: or you might say socially created structure NergizK: Can a tool be too flexible ? :) VanceS: depends on what you are trying to do with it MoiraH: well, I suppose it depends on what you want to use it for in the first place, but yes, it may DanielS left the room. NergizK: Well, that's the problem. I don't know what I can use if for because you seems to able to do so much with it: Elgg is a robust open source social application engine. Elgg provides elegant, flexible and scalable solutions for organisations, groups and individuals. Take advantage of powerful social technology today. VanceS: you mean like right now? VanceS :-)) NergizK -) NinaTL: I am playing around with Kart00 MoiraH: and what's that Nina? NinaTL: but I can't figure out how to go to the sites that it finds VanceS: a search engine, we could do that now NinaTL: It's a kind of praphic search engine NinaTL: graphic NinaTL: kartoo.com VanceS: what's the other one that came up on webheads? MoiraH: another search engine which produces pictures of the finds? NinaTL: It produced a nice graphic representation of links but I can't open them NinaTL: More like mind mapping MoiraH: Can't remember but I started using it months ago and it's not that accurate NinaTL: Nergiz, you've tried it, could you open the links? MoiraH: s - something VanceS: I'll find it NinaTL: http://www.kartoo.com/ NergizK: Yes, Nina. I simply klicked on the icons NinaTL: Doesn't work for me NergizK: and the link opens in a new window PhilB: Hey, about mind mapping... Do any of you use that much? I've got a trial version of Inspiration and another of Mind Manager, and although they are very cool, I'm hesitant what to do unless I actually buy licences for all my students. NergizK: Try a different browser NinaTL: I searched for 'webheads in action' and 'vance stevens' came up at the top of the list haha! PhilB: Which probably isn't in the cards. NergizK: There are many free mind mapping solutions Phil VanceS: hey, try searching on your name and you can use the graphic for something NelbaQ joined the room. MoiraH: Hey, this kartoo produces very similar images and links as mindmapping tools I've been using - cool NergizK: But I use iMindmap NelbaQ: Morning, Webheads! MoiraH: Hi Nelba VanceS: morning nelba NergizK: Hi Nelba NinaTL: Moira, do the links work for you? ThomasLev: Hi Nelba! NinaTL: Hi Nelba! PhilB: Bonour, Nelba. Welcome to Tapped In. VanceS: I clicked on webheads.info and the link opend RitaZ: hi, Nelba NelbaQ: Buenos días! VanceS: in a separate windo PhilB: Bonjour, even. EBobB: Im back....coffee ready JenniferGV: Hello NelbaQ: from La Plata!!! Argentina JenniferGV: Como estas? NinaTL: Maybe Nergiz is right and it's the browser. Are any of you using Firefox and finding that the links work for you? MoiraH: Nelba, you're in BA, right? I was watching a very interesting programme about your city last night :-) EBobB: Hi Nelba. VanceS: it seems to have web sites with icons an suggests other searches PhilB: Buenas tardes, Nelba. Soy in Francia. VanceS: kindd of cool NelbaQ: No, Moira I live in a beautiful city called La Plata 60 km far from Buenos Aires MoiraH: Ah, shucks, got it wrong! NinaTL: Good idea, vance, about searching for my own name--cool! NelbaQ: really, which programe, Moira? VanceS: yes, Nina has quite a presence NergizK: Nina, i've tried it on Firefox and it works. NelbaQ: Hi,Phil. I would like to visit France one day MoiraH: Kartoo graphics are like NovamInd NergizK: It's flash. Maybe you need to download the latest flash version VanceS: I'm using firefox NinaTL: Some of it is misleading.... I don't really have a presence at podomatic, just an unused account! And it did not bring up all of my blogger blogs and only one of 2 wordpress blogs JenniferGV: Tengo familia en Buenos Aires. I am from New York. NelbaQ: really? MoiraH: Novamind JenniferGV: Si NelbaQ: Jennifer ... are you from USA? NelbaQ: why is your family in Buenos Aires? JenniferGV: Si MoiraH: Ah, well there's the BA connection :-))))) ! PhilB: British Airways? PhilB chuckles VanceS: searchcrystal, and it ws suggested by Nergiz NergizK: The other visual searchtool is http://www.searchcrystal.com/ NinaTL: I take it back... when I pressed 'next' a new graphic with more blogs appeared NelbaQ: mmm...I hope one day Webheads will visit our lovely country MoiraH still looking for phonetics for French chuckle NelbaQ: we will do a big asado!!! NelbaQ: Rita cooks very well ... NelbaQ =) NergizK: Kartoo has many optons but I haven't tried all options yet RitaZ . o O ( wonders how come Nelba knows so much about me ) VanceS: maybe we can hold our webhead conference there MoiraH: Yes, that's it Vance - I didn't think too much of it when I first tried it some time back NinaTL: Rita, have you ever cooked for Nelba? RitaZ: nope, Nina VanceS: gosh if you put in my name you pull up lots of pics of me plus someone else I don't know MoiraH: asado - yes, that looked delicious on the TV ........ NinaTL: Speaking of cooking--last week I made my usual spinach lasagne and forgot it in the oven, uncovered, for an extra hour! NinaTL: oh for dumb NergizK: I've tried the same with my name. Interesting results NinaTL: we are eating it anyway but it's a bit dry! NelbaQ: i am joking RitaZ: Ive tried it with mine, yeah, interesting NelbaQ: I 've said Rita cooks well because I am a very bad cook :( NinaTL: or just modest NergizK: Oh, I've discovered a new voice message tools (seth Dickens on Twitter). Would anyone care to be the first to leave a message on my blog and try it out? http://rediscovering-bursa.blogspot.com/ NergizK: There is also a voicethread. Comments welcome :-) MoiraH: Kartoo appears to be more accurate than searchcrystal RitaZ: brb NelbaQ: talking about voice NergizK: I don't understand the connections that Kartoo puts between the search results. VanceS: I typed in Moira Hunter in Searchcrystal and got lots of images, not sure they're ot our moi NelbaQ: have you had problems with voice chat at yahoo??? MoiraH: In fact, I've just discovered the "Next" button which takes you to more input on the same search VanceS: those connections open other searches I think NergizK: I can't voice chat in Yahoo. Obviously not possible on a Mac MoiraH: Cool tool!! Thanks for Kartoo Nina NinaTL: Now I am trying http://www.tweetwheel.com (Can't download latest fash player without closing my browser windows) MoiraH hugs Nina tight NergizK: Nina, didn't you and Dennis try Yahoo voice chat? NinaTL: Not me, Moira, I just picked up on it for yesterday's evonlinewebheads post (Nergiz)--and someone else suggested it first, Ismail NergizK: How would you use these search tools with students? NinaTL: Yes, we did Nergiz NinaTL: Tweet Wheel takes a rather long time MoiraH: Well, never mind, Nina, you talked about it today and I'm really impressed with it NinaTL :-D NergizK: Nina, and Dennis was on a Mac? I wonder how he did that? ThomasLev: Nergiz, I like your blog but can't comment & stay at TI at the same time, on this computer...will do it later, though NinaTL: I am far behind reading my YG digests so just opened up the most recent one as I logged in to TI so I wouldn't appear to be too befuddled! NergizK: I've been having problems with Yahoo Mail lately. On some days it's not possible to access my mail VanceS: blog is very colorful MoiraH: Kartoo - now I wonder how you get all the different map searches onto one map? NinaTL: Yes, Nergiz; apparently Mac has updated its YM capabilities NergizK: Thanks Thomas! NinaTL: We had some difficulty but it wasn't the mac--it was that my speaker wasn't plugged in snugly! NergizK: Hm, strange. I have the latest version. Too bad that Dennis is not here. Anybody else here who has a Mac and has used Yahoo Voice chat? NinaTL: excuse me, brbr NinaTL: brb MoiraH: No - no Mac EBobB: MacHoo or Yahmintosh BjB joined the room. RitaZ: Dennis told me he managed to talk on YM with Nina using voce (on his mac) EBobB: Hi BjB BjB waves and give a great big hug! MoiraH: Ask the same question to Bob, he uses Mac I think ????? RitaZ hugs dear BJ back NergizK: I know, Rita. I have to ask him, then. NelbaQ: I don´t have a Mac and have problems with Yahoo voice chat MoiraH: Hi BjB! NelbaQ: very unstable DialloS joined the room. NelbaQ: I prefer Skype DialloS left the room. NergizK: Hi Bob. EBobB: Hi Nergiz NelbaQ: what about Google chat? RitaZ: I love ooVoo now! NelbaQ: do you use it?¿ MoiraH: Elderbob, you're a Mac user, correct? NergizK: I like Skype but want to be flexible when students don't want or can't download Skype EBobB: No Mac here. NelbaQ: yes, that is the problem JenniferGV: Hello BjB, I entered one of your session before NergizK: Hi BjB BjB nods to Jennifer MoiraH: I'm glad to hear that Rita but sadly Oovoo is no longer free - only free for three webcam conversations PhilB: Bonjour, BJ, and Welcome to Tapped In. BjB: hi, Nergiz...you were included in the group hug :-) RitaZ: I know, Moi, but yet its good quality for 2-3 BjB . o O ( anyone try WiZiQ? ) JenniferGV: briefly NergizK: It's free with three people, Moira (instead of six) but there is no limit in the number of conferences you can have, I think NergizK: Thanks BjB :-) MoiraH: I have a great video of Vance when we tried it out last December - somewhere on my cranky pc RitaZ: and image is great on ooVoo NinaTL: Hey, BJ! MoiraH: Right Nergiz - three webcams now instead of six MoiraH: Yes, I fell right in love with its look and have used it ever since NelbaQ: I am planning to use Wiziq for Writing Matrix meetings EBobB: It's the size of the pipes. RitaZ: recording used to be possible also on ooVoo, do you know whether its still free? NergizK: I guess to many people started using Oovoo. VanceS waves to BJ NergizK: *too MoiraH: yes, it's just a reduced free version I believe now RitaZ: that made the different with ooVoo!!!! RitaZ: difference NelbaQ: well, people, great to see you but I 'd better leave... NelbaQ: I will have breakfast with the family. NelbaQ: have a great week. RitaZ: that adds to it a lot, as YM and Skype dont have the recording feature NelbaQ: oh, by the way... NinaTL: You too, Nelba ThomasLev: Take care, Nelba! EBobB: There will always be a difference between "free" proprietary and open source. The "free" version is often a Beta on the way being a profit maker, while Open Source is likely to remain Open Source. NelbaQ: if you want to know about how we use ICT tools in Argentina VanceS: yes, have tried WiZiQ but doesn't work well for me NelbaQ: at university level MoiraH: Yes, I will have to leave too. I'm in the middle of preparing an IPA quiz - half done, half to do! NelbaQ: visit my blog: http://englishvirtualcommunity.blogspot.com NelbaQ: bye NergizK: Bye Nelba MoiraH: Bye Nelba NergizK: Good night NelbaQ smiles EBobB: I record Skyp with Pamela for which I paid a small lifetime fee. JenniferGV: Ciao NinaTL: That's a useful distinction, EBob RitaZ: bye Nelba NelbaQ left the room (signed off). NergizK: Yes, Ebob NinaTL: You can record Skype conversation using Evoca VanceS waves RitaZ: I know, Nina, but Evoca gives you only 15 min for free JenniferGV: interesting Evoca NergizK: Yes, Nina, but it's not free (except 5 min, I think) and you can't record the video EBobB: Seems like there is also a Skype add on that will record....Tintin something. MoiraH: I'm using another one at the moment Bob, Skype Recorder evaluation version, used to use others but this one is quite good VanceS: doesnt seem worth the trouble (Evoca) MoiraH: Automatic recording EBobB: Moira, is that the one that is a widget at Skype? RitaZ: how do you get that, Moi? EBobB: I have just used Pamela for a long time, because I paid for it, and because it is stable, and because it does quite a few things that I like. MoiraH: Hmm, good question, I can't remember - maybe though as I wanted to try something else as I'd been using Programmo (think that's the name) MoiraH: Yes, probably Bob PhilB has to slip out. PhilB: Ciao, y'all, and good WebHEading! RitaZ: Programmo...hm, sth similar... PhilB left the room (signed off). NergizK: Ciao Phil EBobB: Whatever recorder you use, be sure to check and see if there is a time limit to your recording or you will run out of time before you finish your recording. MoiraH: www.extralabs.net VanceS waves again NinaTL: Moira, do you know Phil? MoiraH: Now I do but I iknow the university EBobB: As for archiving video, unless you have a whopper of a hard drive, you are putting some mighty big files on your computer. I suggest to record it and then store it somewhere else. EBobB: You can always link to it. MoiraH: Bob, the link above is the Skype Recorder I'm using. MoiraH: Any way, I'm off to do some squiggling with IPA JenniferGV: Good advice Bobo JenniferGV: Bob MoiraH: Great to see you all RitaZ: got it, Moira, Skype recorder :-)) NinaTL: Caio, Moira VanceS: did you ever figure out h ow to put THAT into IPA? MoiraH: Great Rita ThomasLev: cu Moira NergizK: Bye Moira RitaZ: thank you! RitaZ: bye VanceS waves again MoiraH: You didn't write your French laugh, so I couldn't ;-) EBobB: Bye MoiraH: Bye MoiraH left the room (signed off). EBobB: And I think I am out of here too....sun is shining and my flower beds need some attention. VanceS watches the room empty out NinaTL: Enjoy, EBob EBobB: Jennifer, I hope you found what you were looking for and that you will join us again. JenniferGV: Have fun RitaZ: Im also leaving, sun is out here too, promising Sunday ahead ;-) NinaTL: Ciao, lovely Rita EBobB: By to all of you...and have a great week....stay safe. NergizK: Enjoy it Rita JenniferGV: You too ThomasLev: cu Bob NergizK: Bye Ebob ThomasLev: I also have to go RitaZ: bye dear roomie Nina...:-)) NinaTL hugs Rita RitaZ: bye all...hugs! EBobB left the room (signed off). NergizK: Bye Thomas NinaTL: I am looking forward to talking with your students friday RitaZ left the room (signed off). ThomasLev left the room (signed off). NinaTL: This is a cozy group VanceS: crazy group? NergizK: Why do you say that, Nina? BjB winks at Vance NinaTL: Vance, do you remember how I told you I had volunteered to do a column on the webheads for the CALL-IS newsletter? VanceS: in NYC? NinaTL: I haven't heard anything and I was wondering if there is something political there VanceS: not that I know of NinaTL: Yes, I told Christine I could do it and she immediately emailed the newsletter editor VanceS: to whom did you volunteer? NinaTL: who has never contacted me NinaTL: I get a distinct sense there there may be some webhead resentment in the IS VanceS: who is the newsletter editor, Susan Stamper Moody? NinaTL: hang on NinaTL: Yes, she's the one VanceS: I don't see why there would be resentment VanceS: probably just the usual lack of cohesion after a conference as everyone goes on about their business NinaTL: And the other day in a fac meeting, Steve Sharp (former IS chair) alluded to some issues between TESOL and EVOnline NinaTL: Okay, maybe I am reading something into it that isn't there VanceS: ah, there are issues between TESOL and EVO but nothing unresolvable and notheing involving webheads NinaTL: I think it's neat that EVOnline offers a really stimulating prof development opportunity at no cost, which every participant can gear to his/her own level VanceS: yes, and that started as a tesol thing NinaTL: I got the impression (just an impression) that TESOL doesn't like the freewheeling nature of EVO NinaTL: They can't control it, it isn't limited to TESOL members, and it's possible to sign up and do nothing, then maybe take credit for doing something VanceS: tesol has its offerings and does not want them to be confused with EVO NergizK: i always thought that EVO is part of TEsOL NinaTL: Yes, that's understandable VanceS: we are in agreement over the issues I think, we have TESOL logo on EVO sites VanceS: and we do not offer certificates VanceS: that's one of the stipulations VanceS: its all fair enough and mutually amicable NinaTL: Great VanceS: we benefit from some association with TESOL and they benefit from EVO NinaTL: Glad to hear it VanceS: Yeah, small bones of contention, easily disgorged NinaTL: I changed my IS from Higher Ed to CALL last year and I didn't want to get involved in some political argument NinaTL: I will wait to heard from Suzan VanceS: actually susan asked me to help her with something, I sent her a url, and she never acknowledged it NergizK: Finished coffee. Need to get out a bit. Thanks all of you for another wonderful and informative session. VanceS: she's probalbly just not in CALL iS mode right now BjB waves bye to Nergiz NergizK: Bye all! NinaTL: I thought I could write up webhead events (BaW, WiAOC), webhead participation in other events, f2f meetings, webheads collaborations (like Rita's interviews this week) and stuff like that NinaTL: Bye Nergiz, gule gule BjB left the room. NergizK left the room (signed off). JenniferGV: Bye JenniferGV left the room (signed off). VanceS: you probably could NinaTL: Wow VanceS: I don't see any cause for resentment, I was the first chair of CALL IS NinaTL: Here is Christine's email: Hi Suzan, NinaTL: Nina Liakos is considering writing a column on the Webheads activities. Could you please send her information on the time frame for the newsletters. NinaTL: Could you also please give her some guidance on how to write a column. NinaTL: The room emptied out fast! VanceS: haha, I guess we bored them NinaTL: Maybe so! NinaTL: I enjoyed your interview with Carla a day or so ago NinaTL: I am late getting to everything VanceS: yeah, she's just doing oteh things VanceS: she'll get back to both of us NinaTL: The photos of your apt were nice too VanceS: yeah, old ones VanceS: the sea is now farther from us VanceS: they added some land NinaTL: It looks very comfortable VanceS: yeah, it is NinaTL: How do they add land? VanceS: they dredge it from the ocean and then pack it down with machines that go thump thump all the time VanceS: actually they go THUMP and then you wait while they haul up the thumper and about a minute later there's anohter NinaTL: Hopefully they take a break at night so you can sleep VanceS: yes, not bad here, a few mosque calls, other than that, quiet UrselJ joined the room. VanceS: Hi Urse, here for webheads? NinaTL: Hi, ursel NinaTL: Ursel teaches math NinaTL: What are you going to do with the rest of your day, Vance? VanceS: well, at this point, watch the sun go down NinaTL: which is very beautiful (saw the pictures) NinaTL: are you at home? NinaTL: Here it's overcast and cool and we are slated for some rain NinaTL: I have NO PLANS for today other than laundry and stuff like that NinaTL: The semester ends officially for me on Wednesday VanceS: it's sunday, a work day for me VanceS: but I just taught my last class till Augst NinaTL: Teaching and testing and talking with disappointed students is over BjB joined the room. NinaTL: Did I tell you I would be working on our self-study for CEA in June and July? NinaTL: wb, BJ BjB: what is CEA, Nina? NinaTL: Well that has changed... BjB: Hi, Ursel. Welcome NinaTL: It's the Commission of English Language Program Accreditation UrselJ left the room. BjB: ahhh....my CEA is Correctional Education Association ;-) NinaTL: We are in the throes of a self-study and vast changes engendered by it NinaTL: haha NinaTL: I am the s-s coordinator NinaTL: and was slated to put the whole thing together this summer NinaTL: Now I am not going to have to do the grunt work :-))) NinaTL: They can't afford to pay me haha NinaTL: so putting the thing together (responses to 52 standards + documentation) NinaTL: will be someone else's job NinaTL: and I will just write up a few pieces and help proofread it VanceS: well on that note VanceS: bobbi is waiting for me NinaTL: I won't have to go in 4 days a week as originally planned NinaTL: and I can do the japanese program in August NinaTL: That makes me happy NinaTL: Tell Bobbi hello NinaTL: Have a nice evening VanceS: and I'm going to have to go home because actually we are going out tonoght NinaTL: and a good wekk NinaTL: Where? VanceS: to dinner with friends NinaTL: Sounds nice--enjoy! NinaTL: Nice to chat with you VanceS: yeah, people younger than our kids LOL NinaTL: np Vance, keeps you young VanceS: yeah :-) NinaTL: See you around VanceS: ok, nice chatting VanceS: catch you later VanceS: bye BJ NinaTL: I will also make my graceful exit NinaTL chuckles NinaTL hugs Vance and BJ NinaTL left the room (signed off). UrselJ joined the room. UrselJ left the room. UrselJ joined the room. UrselJ left the room. UrselJ joined the room. UrselJ left the room. UrselJ joined the room. UrselJ left the room. UrselJ joined the room. UrselJ left the room. UrselJ joined the room. UrselJ left the room. UrselJ joined the room. UrselJ left the room. UrselJ joined the room. UrselJ left the room. BjB left the room. BjB joined the room. YasminD joined the room. BjB: hi, Yasmin. Welcome YasminD left the room. VanceS left the room (signed off). 2008.05.18 07:23:53 Signoff